The LCMS is in the middle of a growing pastoral shortage. And, at the same time, one of its most effective pathways into ministry is being restricted.
Why?
In this episode, Zach sits down with Chris Holder, an SMP pastor with over a decade of experience, to unpack what’s really happening inside the pastoral formation conversation.
Chris shares his personal journey into ministry, what the SMP program actually looks like on the ground, and why he believes it’s often misunderstood. From practical training to real-life ministry experience, this conversation explores the strengths, challenges, and controversies surrounding SMP.
They also dive into:
This isn’t just about one program. It’s about the future of pastoral leadership in the LCMS.
Today’s episode is brought to you by Hodos. Hodos is a new non-profit designed to pave the way for the next generation of Lutherans. Designed for 18-29 year olds, Hodos is currently planning a national Young Adult Gathering for 2027. For interest, updated information, or donation options, please go to www.HodosWay.com.
AIM Austin: https://aimaustin.org
Email Chris: chris@aimaustin.org
Concordia Seminary St. Louis: https://www.csl.edu
Concordia Theological Seminary Fort Wayne: https://www.ctsfw.edu
SMP Program Overview: https://www.csl.edu/academics/programs/specific-ministry-pastor-smp/
The SMP program was designed to meet real ministry needs, not replace traditional seminary
Many SMP pastors enter with years of ministry and life experience
The program emphasizes learning while actively serving in ministry
There is a growing perception gap between SMP and residential pathways
Recent restrictions may reduce the number of pastors during a shortage
Some leaders see SMP as a solution—others as a threat
Churches may need to reclaim responsibility for raising up pastors locally
Multi-ethnic ministry is one of the greatest opportunities in the LCMS today
Chris Holder’s journey from youth ministry to pastoral leadership
Why his church leaving a changing neighborhood shaped his calling
What the SMP program actually is and how it works
Misconceptions about SMP pastors being “second-tier”
The strength of learning theology while doing real ministry
Honest comparison: SMP vs. residential seminary
Reaction to new LCMS restrictions on SMP
“Victim of its own success” — what that really means
The idea of churches raising up their own pastors
Why “the nations are coming to us” changes everything for mission
Pray for and invest in one person you can disciple.
Don’t wait for systems to fix the future of the Church. Start raising up the next leader right where you are.
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